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- From: koren@hpsrk.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: 060 vs PowerPC?
- Date: 10 Feb 1996 17:03:11 -0700
- Organization: HP Fort Collins Site
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- In-reply-to: philw@xplor.com's message of 6 Feb 1996 21:48:03 GMT
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- philw@xplor.com (PA Williamson) wrote:
-
- > Which explains why folks that still use 286/386 systems are causing the
- > PC clone market to die. :-)
-
- The situations are not comparable. First, what percentage of the active
- PC using market is using 486 or better systems now? Its quite high -
- much higher than the 040+ use on Amigas. Shucks, I don't even know
- anybody who bought a PC in the past 6 months who got anything *less*
- than a Pentium 100, and people are upgrading their old 486s.
-
- The Pentium use in the PC market is much greater by percentage than the
- 060 use in the Amiga market. Pentium 100s or 133s seem to be the
- de-facto standard PC sold today, while 060s (similar to a P-60) are
- still exceptional to find in the Amiga market. And the 060/50 is only
- comparable to the very slowest of Pentiums.
-
- > EVERY ONE of the Amiga's I'm around are 030/040 systems which are
- > "hopelessly out of date"...NOT!
-
- Well, it depends on how you look at it. One way of looking at it is
- that even the fastest possible 060/50 for the Amiga is out of date by
- today's standards. An 030 is *many* generations and many years old now.
- Even the 040 is an *incredibly* slow chip by today's standards, and this
- alone essentially killed the professional Amiga 3D market, which has
- gone on to faster systems. The Amiga has an effecient OS, sure, but
- there's some things you just need raw performance for.
-
- > Folks, the ONLY thing out of date on the Amiga is *clock speed*!!
-
- No, not only clock speed. CPU performance, memory bus speeds, graphics
- bus speeds, ethernet performance, and a whole host of other things.
-
- The upshot of all this is that its tough to write high end applications
- (targeted at 060+gfx cards) for the Amiga market, because the base of
- machines that can run them is miniscule. It is not a good situation for
- the Amiga to be in - we once had a *higher* end than you could get on
- PCs *at all*. It is sort of a vicious cycle. People don't upgrade
- because it is expensive. It is expensive because no one upgrades. And
- so around it goes.
-
- (There are many other factors that contribute to this expense also, such
- as the development costs of putting PC graphics chips on Z-III cards,
- etc, but even this would fall if 98% of Amigas had one).
-
- Alas, of the perhaps 30 Amiga users I know personaly, only *two* have
- 040s, and only *two* have graphics cards. Then instead of getting a
- decent CPU or graphics card, Amiga users move to the PC to get this
- stuff cheaply. I believe it would be much more affordable if Amiga
- users didn't insist on hanging onto out of date hardware for years. Not
- only has it hurt the Amiga severely, but it effectively stops many
- people from buying an Amiga for the first time when they look at the
- price/performance of Amigas vs. PCs.
-
- - steve
-